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Soft Shackle

Post by anglefire » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:07 am

Spotted this for sale (Well it was pointed out to me actually!) http://www.goodwinch.com/shop/winching- ... -shackles/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are the thoughts on this - I guess for on road recovery of normal cars, rather than off-road which I would use a proper shackle on.


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Post by benp » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:54 am

erm no ta


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Post by anglefire » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:56 am

That was my immediate thought, but don't know why.


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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by Non Stick Nick » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:03 am

I saw these a hill back & have in fact spliced my own to test
No tests yet due health issues but soon hopefully.

I have a couple of concerns...

The details mention a "Budget" product. When it comes to recovery gear & especially a low total value product like this,I don't think that budget is a concern.

There is also no mention of testing or rating, so how strong is it really?

There is also mention of speed of rig & de-rig. For me speed is not an issue.I want it done correctly not quickly.

Having said all that I do like the idea that a lump of steel (shackle) is replaced with a soft material.

When that type of product fails due to over load, in my experience, it fails at the splice or a knot or point of physical pressure e.g. winch hawse or fair lead.

Soft shackles have been used in the marine environment for a long time. They have their place, just not sure I am going to use it just yet.

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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by anglefire » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:08 am

According to the guy who's looking at getting some, they have a 3T SWL - which in his words equivalent to a 18t breaking strain when towing.

I have some small shackles, that I'd rather use on a normal car, for just towing, I think they are about 0.5-1t SWL - which is fine in the right application.


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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by benp » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:22 am

unless you are using a plastic hook on then you still have a lump of metal flying through the air so that is about the only advantage of the thing defeated. no true swl a splice joint so onceyou have used it once in a bit of muck you will have to bin it ... no ta


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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by Non Stick Nick » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:24 am

anglefire wrote:According to the guy who's looking at getting some, they have a 3T SWL - which in his words equivalent to a 18t breaking strain when towing.

I have some small shackles, that I'd rather use on a normal car, for just towing, I think they are about 0.5-1t SWL - which is fine in the right application.


If the product is rated for lifting for a 3T SWL (which i doubt otherwise they would have said) there would probably be a SF (safer factor ratio) of 6:1 . I think this is how he is getting the 18T figure for towing.

Further research on David's site shows that a spliced 10mm Budget Bowrope has a breaking strain of 10,500 lbs. Not sure putting a big knot in it with enhance that, probably the reverse, IMHO


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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by Stu » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:44 am

Ben - you don't have to have a hook for snatch recovery, and reducing the amount of hardware is a good thing. Even if you do have a hook in the system and have a failure it doesn't mean the hook will be going through the air.

I like the idea of a soft shackle, but I'd like to see some ratings and testing.

As for speed of rigging I'm with Nick but I can see that those people who like winching competitions would be keen on speed.


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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by benp » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:00 pm

true Stu but your probably attaching to something metal somewhere .... and thinking of it the anchor points on the discos aren't that smooth istr


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Re: Soft Shackle

Post by anglefire » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:15 pm

Ben, the thought on this is for normal cars and not Disco's - I would use a large shackle on mine and on a small one on a normal car. :thumbright:


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